rob portman is playing obama. he's an eerily precise obama. >> he played obama for john mccain four years ago. >> he did. i spent more time with rob portman as obama than as rob po portman, the senator we all know. both men have a monumental undertaking for the first debate. one of them has to come off as nicer and less arrogant than he really is. and the other one has to come across as more normal and less awkward than he is. >> you talk about president obama coming off as more nicer and less arrogant. he does get irritable in the debates. his team is prepping him for to stay more patient. >> right. think about that for a second. they're asking both men to be someone they're not. that's what makes the debate so dramatic. really, what we're all waiting for, what we're watching for, is the moment when the real man breaks out. >> but more pressure on mitt romney in this debate. if you could say, what is his number one goal for this debate, it is? >> romney needs to have a moment like what some of us saw this week, w